Re:Zero kara Hajimeru Isekai Seikatsu Episode 15 Discussion

kitten320 said:

And was that massive Puck at the end?

InefableAtaraxia said:
Episode 15:
The suffering continue, Subaru breaks, and the Rem show his love in an insane way getting her body twisted by Betelgeuse, this seems much like a movie, Subaru gets mad and determined, i wish his suffer stops and he get stronger.
The last episodes are way too good.
But i don't get the last part with the giant beast, that says "Sleep, along with my daughter" can that beast be the witch, and his daughter be Emilia.
And Betelgeus questioning if Subaru is pride (Sloth being him), must mean something like with homunculus in FMA.

5/5

ToG25thBaam said:
Haven't seen a show with this kind of cinematic directing in a while, especially the last few minutes where Subaru was carrying Rem's corpse through the destroyed village, chanting the bad guy's name, and fell into depair (ZETSUBOUSHITA!) after he saw a dead Ram. Everything that followed was masterfully animated.

^ huge part of why I didn't really care much about what went down in the past arcs or what happened to certain character is because I know that the author will somehow bring them back. Yeah, it's hard to really care about a character when you have a MC who can basically reset everything back from the save point. However, because of this power of his, Subaru was basically driven mad, and the author really took advantage of this situation and made the best out of it. Thanks to the time travel power of MC, everyone else does not retain the memory of hardship that Subaru had gone through, so he's suffering through this alone, which amplify the progress on Subaru's character and the opposite for the other characters. I think this is supposed to be a very character-driven story, through the protagonist Subaru. It just happened that Subaru is an unlikeable fuck, and the rest of the cast is stereotypical as fuck.

Amazing episode from a technical standpoint, but I still don't like the series as a whole. I also dislike the over-the-top-"cant-take-him-seriously" villain here. Well to be honest, without the amazing directing, I probably wouldn't have liked the episode as much, if at all.

Fai said:

Nice selective reading as I have been continuously praising this show till ep12.


I'll tell you what is unnecessary - this vomit-inducing torture porn.

Fai said:


Somehow it could deliver deep and interesting story for 11 whopping episodes without triggering the viewers into vomiting and hyperventilating.ag

This should ahve ahad afuaking thrigger warning at the start of the episode.



Because it si the oonlyu character every single viewer cares for.

julianobouken said:
ME after watching this episode:

TanoX_93 said:
What was that giant beast that killed Subaru and why did he mentioned a daughter? I want to know more.

Chuunichan said:
Damn, I've seen a lot of fucked up things, and I should say, this episode is seriously fucked up. And this is coming from someone who read a creepypasta about rape and human trafficking!

MissPsychoholic said:
BTW this episode made me realize why everyone's like "Rem is the best girl" - a well deserved title in this case. Emilia is nothing compared to her (not even a lesbian, but I would be it for Rem any day)

Jagd84 said:

Interesting, that go for all women too? Because sacrificing yourself for someone you have strong feelings is most people do, even Subaru has done it. But somehow Emilia is nothing despite being as supportive to Subaru in the most platonic way possible without being in love with him. It's sad way to deceive a person's worth if you ask me.

MissPsychoholic said:
Sorry in advance for that essay, I already tried to make it shorter.

Sacrificing yourself is easy to say, but very hard to actually do. Even Subaru hesitated to do it in some moments

I think it's clear to most characters that there is something strange with Subaru he doesn't want or simply can't talk about. And out of all the characters who he spends the most time with, only Emilia demands him indirectly to tell her everything, e.g. by telling him she doesn't understand him while ironically not telling him about her "reputation" in the capital. The whole knight scandal and embarassment could have been avioded if she properly explained him the reasons why he shouldn't attend to that king candidate meeting. She could have said something like "I trust you to not show up, so have trust in me that their empty gossip doesn't hurt me at all". She didn't even tell him who that king's candidate in the red dress was, her first question was "why/how do you know her?", again demanding answers instead of having the trust to simply tell him who that is.

Emilia is just as dishonest to him as Subaru "has to be" towards her, while Rem tries to be as honest and supportive as possible, even knowing she won't get anything out of it since Subaru's love for Emilia is too strong for her to intervene. She also doesn't want to betray Emilia, so she keeps silent about her real feelings. She reminds me of Obi from Akagami no Shirayukihime, being helplessly in love and still giving everything she/he has to make that one person happy.

Emilia may not want to be treated differently, but it's kind of strange how it seems she sometimes takes the support around her for granted. Heck, even that grumpy Beatrice seems to have more trust in Subaru than the girl he constantly fights for. I correct my first comment and admit she is not a bad character, but she fails to realize when she is wrong, making her look ungrateful and selfish even if she (most of the time) isn't like this.

Jagd84 said:

She's demanding him to explain himself not because she unaware that he acts strange sometimes, but why he goes so far her because in the current timeline their have only met in the loot house for the first time. It's just like the problem in mansion arc, Subaru's relationships with others do not always match up with their experiences, because he has spent more time with them than they have with him.

As Rem, while her current devotion to him is sweet she, but don't forget that a week ago in the show's timeline she was not like this. Unlike Emilia she took his strangeness as a threat to the point she murdered in one loop because of her past baggage.

You are misunderstanding her perspective here. It's not about a lack of trust, but lack of trust in Subaru to take care of himself. To not push himself beyond his limits for her sake ... Emilia does not believe she is worth that attention anyone likely because that hatred has been so ingrained her heritage. So it's all new for her.

MissPsychoholic said:

As far as I understood it, Rem killing Subaru was a big misunderstanding since everyone thought he was the shaman who cursed Ram and Rem on several loops (both of them went shopping with him, Ram off, Rem on screen). Remember that he was killed by the curse the first loop, second loop was him and Ram going shopping, both got the curse so Rem went after him and the third time Ram went shopping alone, so Rem hunted him down in the woods. The second last was when Rem got cursed since she went shopping, so Ram went for the Subaru kill instead. But once everyone knew who the shaman was, nobody tried to hurt or kill Subaru anymore. Rem killed him twice to avenge Ram and to protect the other mansion residents. His strange smell was only the last straw that broke the camel's back, which led them to believe he is the culprit.